diff --git a/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/cluster/qourum/QuorumManager.java b/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/cluster/qourum/QuorumManager.java
index f8b3908151..77a7d18c67 100644
--- a/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/cluster/qourum/QuorumManager.java
+++ b/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/cluster/qourum/QuorumManager.java
@@ -299,6 +299,7 @@ public final class QuorumManager implements ClusterTopologyListener, ActiveMQCom
             clusterControl.authorize();
             //if we are successful get the vote and check whether we need to send it to the target server,
             //just connecting may be enough
+
             vote = quorumVote.connected();
             if (vote.isRequestServerVote()) {
                vote = clusterControl.sendQuorumVote(quorumVote.getName(), vote);
diff --git a/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/cluster/qourum/QuorumVoteServerConnect.java b/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/cluster/qourum/QuorumVoteServerConnect.java
index f6c608ef96..dcc1892c47 100644
--- a/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/cluster/qourum/QuorumVoteServerConnect.java
+++ b/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/cluster/qourum/QuorumVoteServerConnect.java
@@ -38,6 +38,9 @@ public class QuorumVoteServerConnect extends QuorumVote<ServerConnectVote, Boole
 
    private boolean decision = false;
 
+   // Is this the live requesting to stay live, or a backup requesting to become live.
+   private boolean requestToStayLive = false;
+
    /**
     * live nodes | remaining nodes |  majority   | votes needed
     * 1      |       0         |     0       |      0
@@ -48,7 +51,7 @@ public class QuorumVoteServerConnect extends QuorumVote<ServerConnectVote, Boole
     * 5      |       4         |     3.5     |      3
     * 6      |       5         |      4      |      4
     */
-   public QuorumVoteServerConnect(int size, String targetNodeId) {
+   public QuorumVoteServerConnect(int size, String targetNodeId, boolean requestToStayLive) {
       super(LIVE_FAILOVER_VOTE);
       this.targetNodeId = targetNodeId;
       double majority;
@@ -64,8 +67,12 @@ public class QuorumVoteServerConnect extends QuorumVote<ServerConnectVote, Boole
       if (votesNeeded == 0) {
          decision = true;
       }
+      this.requestToStayLive = requestToStayLive;
    }
 
+   public QuorumVoteServerConnect(int size, String targetNodeId) {
+      this(size, targetNodeId, false);
+   }
    /**
     * if we can connect to a node
     *
@@ -73,9 +80,8 @@ public class QuorumVoteServerConnect extends QuorumVote<ServerConnectVote, Boole
     */
    @Override
    public Vote connected() {
-      return new ServerConnectVote(targetNodeId);
+      return new ServerConnectVote(targetNodeId, requestToStayLive);
    }
-
    /**
     * if we cant connect to the node
     *
@@ -130,4 +136,8 @@ public class QuorumVoteServerConnect extends QuorumVote<ServerConnectVote, Boole
       else
          ActiveMQServerLogger.LOGGER.timeoutWaitingForQuorumVoteResponses();
    }
+
+   public boolean isRequestToStayLive() {
+      return requestToStayLive;
+   }
 }
diff --git a/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/impl/ServerConnectVoteHandler.java b/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/impl/ServerConnectVoteHandler.java
index ef0438a500..3fdfaa5a44 100644
--- a/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/impl/ServerConnectVoteHandler.java
+++ b/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/impl/ServerConnectVoteHandler.java
@@ -37,12 +37,13 @@ public class ServerConnectVoteHandler implements QuorumVoteHandler {
       ServerConnectVote serverConnectVote = (ServerConnectVote) vote;
       String nodeid = serverConnectVote.getNodeId();
       TopologyMemberImpl member = server.getClusterManager().getDefaultConnection(null).getTopology().getMember(nodeid);
+
       if (member != null && member.getLive() != null) {
          ActiveMQServerLogger.LOGGER.nodeFoundInClusterTopology(nodeid);
-         return new ServerConnectVote(nodeid, false);
+         return new ServerConnectVote(nodeid, (Boolean) vote.getVote());
       }
       ActiveMQServerLogger.LOGGER.nodeNotFoundInClusterTopology(nodeid);
-      return new ServerConnectVote(nodeid, true);
+      return new ServerConnectVote(nodeid, !((Boolean) vote.getVote()));
    }
 
    @Override
diff --git a/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/impl/SharedNothingLiveActivation.java b/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/impl/SharedNothingLiveActivation.java
index 920366aa03..2e289b5acf 100644
--- a/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/impl/SharedNothingLiveActivation.java
+++ b/artemis-server/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/core/server/impl/SharedNothingLiveActivation.java
@@ -255,7 +255,7 @@ public class SharedNothingLiveActivation extends LiveActivation {
                            QuorumManager quorumManager = activeMQServer.getClusterManager().getQuorumManager();
                            int size = replicatedPolicy.getQuorumSize() == -1 ? quorumManager.getMaxClusterSize() : replicatedPolicy.getQuorumSize();
 
-                           QuorumVoteServerConnect quorumVote = new QuorumVoteServerConnect(size, activeMQServer.getNodeID().toString());
+                           QuorumVoteServerConnect quorumVote = new QuorumVoteServerConnect(size, activeMQServer.getNodeID().toString(), true);
 
                            quorumManager.vote(quorumVote);
 
diff --git a/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/ClusterWithBackupFailoverTest.java b/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/ClusterWithBackupFailoverTest.java
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..646e073176
--- /dev/null
+++ b/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/ClusterWithBackupFailoverTest.java
@@ -0,0 +1,344 @@
+/*
+ * Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
+ * contributor license agreements. See the NOTICE file distributed with
+ * this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
+ * The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
+ * (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
+ * the License. You may obtain a copy of the License at
+ *
+ *     http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
+ *
+ * Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
+ * distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
+ * WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
+ * See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
+ * limitations under the License.
+ */
+package org.apache.activemq.artemis.tests.integration.cluster.failover;
+
+import org.junit.Test;
+
+public  abstract class ClusterWithBackupFailoverTest extends ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase {
+   @Test
+   public void testFailLiveNodes() throws Throwable {
+      setupCluster();
+
+      startServers(3, 4, 5, 0, 1, 2);
+      //startServers(0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5);
+
+      for (int i = 0; i < 3; i++) {
+         waitForTopology(servers[i], 3, 3);
+      }
+
+      waitForFailoverTopology(3, 0, 1, 2);
+      waitForFailoverTopology(4, 0, 1, 2);
+      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      setupSessionFactory(0, 3, isNetty(), false);
+      setupSessionFactory(1, 4, isNetty(), false);
+      setupSessionFactory(2, 5, isNetty(), false);
+
+      createQueue(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
+      createQueue(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
+      createQueue(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
+
+      addConsumer(0, 0, QUEUE_NAME, null);
+      waitForBindings(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      addConsumer(1, 1, QUEUE_NAME, null);
+      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      addConsumer(2, 2, QUEUE_NAME, null);
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+
+      waitForBindings();
+
+      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+      Thread.sleep(1000);
+      log.info("######### Topology on client = " + locators[0].getTopology().describe() + " locator = " + locators[0]);
+      log.info("######### Crashing it........., sfs[0] = " + sfs[0]);
+      failNode(0);
+
+      waitForFailoverTopology(4, 3, 1, 2);
+      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 3, 1, 2);
+
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      // activated backup nodes
+      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
+      // activated backup nodes
+      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
+
+      ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase.log.info("** now sending");
+
+      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      failNode(1);
+
+      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 3, 4, 2);
+
+      Thread.sleep(1000);
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      // activated backup nodes
+      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      waitForBindings(4, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
+      // activated backup nodes
+      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
+      waitForBindings(4, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
+
+      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      failNode(2);
+
+      Thread.sleep(1000);
+      // activated backup nodes
+      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      waitForBindings(4, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      waitForBindings(5, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+
+      // activated backup nodes
+      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
+      waitForBindings(4, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
+      waitForBindings(5, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
+
+      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      removeConsumer(0);
+      removeConsumer(1);
+      removeConsumer(2);
+   }
+
+   @Test
+   public void testFailBackupNodes() throws Exception {
+      setupCluster();
+
+      startServers(3, 4, 5, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      for (int i = 0; i < 3; i++) {
+         waitForTopology(servers[i], 3, 3);
+      }
+
+      setupSessionFactory(0, 3, isNetty(), false);
+      setupSessionFactory(1, 4, isNetty(), false);
+      setupSessionFactory(2, 5, isNetty(), false);
+
+      createQueue(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
+      createQueue(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
+      createQueue(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
+
+      addConsumer(0, 0, QUEUE_NAME, null);
+      addConsumer(1, 1, QUEUE_NAME, null);
+      addConsumer(2, 2, QUEUE_NAME, null);
+
+      waitForBindings();
+
+      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      failNode(3);
+
+      waitForBindings();
+
+      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      failNode(4);
+
+      waitForBindings();
+
+      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      failNode(5);
+
+      waitForBindings();
+
+      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      removeConsumer(0);
+      removeConsumer(1);
+      removeConsumer(2);
+   }
+
+   @Test
+   public void testFailAllNodes() throws Exception {
+      setupCluster();
+
+      startServers(0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5);
+
+      setupSessionFactory(0, 3, isNetty(), false);
+      setupSessionFactory(1, 4, isNetty(), false);
+      setupSessionFactory(2, 5, isNetty(), false);
+
+      waitForFailoverTopology(3, 0, 1, 2);
+      waitForFailoverTopology(4, 0, 1, 2);
+      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      createQueue(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
+      createQueue(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
+      createQueue(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
+
+      addConsumer(0, 0, QUEUE_NAME, null);
+      addConsumer(1, 1, QUEUE_NAME, null);
+      addConsumer(2, 2, QUEUE_NAME, null);
+
+      waitForBindings();
+
+      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      failNode(0);
+
+      waitForFailoverTopology(4, 3, 1, 2);
+      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 3, 1, 2);
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      // activated backup nodes
+      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
+      // activated backup nodes
+      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
+
+      ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase.log.info("** now sending");
+
+      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
+
+      removeConsumer(0);
+      failNode(3);
+
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, false);
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, false);
+
+      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 1, 2);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 1, 2);
+
+      failNode(1);
+
+      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 2, 4);
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      // activated backup nodes
+      waitForBindings(4, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, false);
+      // activated backup nodes
+      waitForBindings(4, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, false);
+
+      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 1, 2);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 1, 2);
+
+      removeConsumer(1);
+
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 0, false);
+
+      failNode(4, 1);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 2);
+
+      failNode(2);
+
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(5, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
+      // live nodes
+      waitForBindings(5, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 0, 0, false);
+
+      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
+      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 2);
+
+      removeConsumer(2);
+      failNode(5);
+   }
+}
diff --git a/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase.java b/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase.java
index 745b84c9e6..28746da17b 100644
--- a/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase.java
+++ b/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase.java
@@ -26,13 +26,12 @@ import org.apache.activemq.artemis.tests.integration.cluster.distribution.Cluste
 import org.apache.activemq.artemis.tests.integration.cluster.util.SameProcessActiveMQServer;
 import org.apache.activemq.artemis.tests.integration.cluster.util.TestableServer;
 import org.junit.Before;
-import org.junit.Test;
 
 public abstract class ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase extends ClusterTestBase {
 
    protected static final String QUEUE_NAME = "queue0";
    protected static final String QUEUES_TESTADDRESS = "queues.testaddress";
-   private static final IntegrationTestLogger log = IntegrationTestLogger.LOGGER;
+   protected static final IntegrationTestLogger log = IntegrationTestLogger.LOGGER;
 
    protected abstract void setupCluster(MessageLoadBalancingType messageLoadBalancingType) throws Exception;
 
@@ -49,131 +48,7 @@ public abstract class ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase extends ClusterTestBase
       return false;
    }
 
-   @Test
-   public void testFailLiveNodes() throws Throwable {
-      setupCluster();
-
-      startServers(3, 4, 5, 0, 1, 2);
-      //startServers(0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5);
-
-      for (int i = 0; i < 3; i++) {
-         waitForTopology(servers[i], 3, 3);
-      }
-
-      waitForFailoverTopology(3, 0, 1, 2);
-      waitForFailoverTopology(4, 0, 1, 2);
-      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      setupSessionFactory(0, 3, isNetty(), false);
-      setupSessionFactory(1, 4, isNetty(), false);
-      setupSessionFactory(2, 5, isNetty(), false);
-
-      createQueue(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
-      createQueue(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
-      createQueue(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
-
-      addConsumer(0, 0, QUEUE_NAME, null);
-      waitForBindings(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      addConsumer(1, 1, QUEUE_NAME, null);
-      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      addConsumer(2, 2, QUEUE_NAME, null);
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-
-      waitForBindings();
-
-      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-      Thread.sleep(1000);
-      log.info("######### Topology on client = " + locators[0].getTopology().describe() + " locator = " + locators[0]);
-      log.info("######### Crashing it........., sfs[0] = " + sfs[0]);
-      failNode(0);
-
-      waitForFailoverTopology(4, 3, 1, 2);
-      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 3, 1, 2);
-
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      // activated backup nodes
-      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
-      // activated backup nodes
-      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
-
-      ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase.log.info("** now sending");
-
-      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      failNode(1);
-
-      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 3, 4, 2);
-
-      Thread.sleep(1000);
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      // activated backup nodes
-      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      waitForBindings(4, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
-      // activated backup nodes
-      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
-      waitForBindings(4, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
-
-      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      failNode(2);
-
-      Thread.sleep(1000);
-      // activated backup nodes
-      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      waitForBindings(4, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      waitForBindings(5, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-
-      // activated backup nodes
-      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
-      waitForBindings(4, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
-      waitForBindings(5, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
-
-      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      removeConsumer(0);
-      removeConsumer(1);
-      removeConsumer(2);
-   }
-
-   private void waitForBindings() throws Exception {
+   protected void waitForBindings() throws Exception {
       waitForBindings(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
       waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
       waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
@@ -183,83 +58,6 @@ public abstract class ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase extends ClusterTestBase
       waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
    }
 
-   @Test
-   public void testFailBackupNodes() throws Exception {
-      setupCluster();
-
-      startServers(3, 4, 5, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      for (int i = 0; i < 3; i++) {
-         waitForTopology(servers[i], 3, 3);
-      }
-
-      setupSessionFactory(0, 3, isNetty(), false);
-      setupSessionFactory(1, 4, isNetty(), false);
-      setupSessionFactory(2, 5, isNetty(), false);
-
-      createQueue(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
-      createQueue(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
-      createQueue(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
-
-      addConsumer(0, 0, QUEUE_NAME, null);
-      addConsumer(1, 1, QUEUE_NAME, null);
-      addConsumer(2, 2, QUEUE_NAME, null);
-
-      waitForBindings();
-
-      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      failNode(3);
-
-      waitForBindings();
-
-      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      failNode(4);
-
-      waitForBindings();
-
-      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      failNode(5);
-
-      waitForBindings();
-
-      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      removeConsumer(0);
-      removeConsumer(1);
-      removeConsumer(2);
-   }
-
    protected void setupCluster() throws Exception {
       setupCluster(MessageLoadBalancingType.ON_DEMAND);
    }
@@ -297,126 +95,4 @@ public abstract class ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase extends ClusterTestBase
       ClientSession[] sessionsArray = sessions.toArray(new ClientSession[sessions.size()]);
       return sessionsArray;
    }
-
-   @Test
-   public void testFailAllNodes() throws Exception {
-      setupCluster();
-
-      startServers(0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5);
-
-      setupSessionFactory(0, 3, isNetty(), false);
-      setupSessionFactory(1, 4, isNetty(), false);
-      setupSessionFactory(2, 5, isNetty(), false);
-
-      waitForFailoverTopology(3, 0, 1, 2);
-      waitForFailoverTopology(4, 0, 1, 2);
-      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      createQueue(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
-      createQueue(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
-      createQueue(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, QUEUE_NAME, null, true);
-
-      addConsumer(0, 0, QUEUE_NAME, null);
-      addConsumer(1, 1, QUEUE_NAME, null);
-      addConsumer(2, 2, QUEUE_NAME, null);
-
-      waitForBindings();
-
-      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      failNode(0);
-
-      waitForFailoverTopology(4, 3, 1, 2);
-      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 3, 1, 2);
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      // activated backup nodes
-      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
-      // activated backup nodes
-      waitForBindings(3, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 2, 2, false);
-
-      ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase.log.info("** now sending");
-
-      send(0, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 0, 1, 2);
-
-      removeConsumer(0);
-      failNode(3);
-
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, false);
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, false);
-
-      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 1, 2);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 1, 2);
-
-      failNode(1);
-
-      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 2, 4);
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      // activated backup nodes
-      waitForBindings(4, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, false);
-      // activated backup nodes
-      waitForBindings(4, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, false);
-
-      send(1, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 1, 2);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 1, 2);
-
-      removeConsumer(1);
-
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 0, false);
-
-      failNode(4, 1);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 2);
-
-      failNode(2);
-
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(5, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 1, 1, true);
-      // live nodes
-      waitForBindings(5, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 0, 0, false);
-
-      send(2, QUEUES_TESTADDRESS, 10, false, null);
-      verifyReceiveRoundRobinInSomeOrder(true, 10, 2);
-
-      removeConsumer(2);
-      failNode(5);
-   }
 }
diff --git a/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/DiscoveryClusterWithBackupFailoverTest.java b/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/DiscoveryClusterWithBackupFailoverTest.java
index 0f33681a06..ded7829a02 100644
--- a/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/DiscoveryClusterWithBackupFailoverTest.java
+++ b/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/DiscoveryClusterWithBackupFailoverTest.java
@@ -18,7 +18,7 @@ package org.apache.activemq.artemis.tests.integration.cluster.failover;
 
 import org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.server.cluster.impl.MessageLoadBalancingType;
 
-public class DiscoveryClusterWithBackupFailoverTest extends ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase {
+public class DiscoveryClusterWithBackupFailoverTest extends ClusterWithBackupFailoverTest {
 
    protected final String groupAddress = getUDPDiscoveryAddress();
 
diff --git a/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/LiveVoteOnBackupFailureClusterTest.java b/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/LiveVoteOnBackupFailureClusterTest.java
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..546415acb4
--- /dev/null
+++ b/tests/integration-tests/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/artemis/tests/integration/cluster/failover/LiveVoteOnBackupFailureClusterTest.java
@@ -0,0 +1,132 @@
+/*
+ * Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
+ * contributor license agreements. See the NOTICE file distributed with
+ * this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
+ * The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
+ * (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
+ * the License. You may obtain a copy of the License at
+ *
+ *     http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
+ *
+ * Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
+ * distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
+ * WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
+ * See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
+ * limitations under the License.
+ */
+package org.apache.activemq.artemis.tests.integration.cluster.failover;
+
+import java.util.concurrent.CountDownLatch;
+import java.util.concurrent.TimeUnit;
+
+import org.apache.activemq.artemis.api.core.ActiveMQException;
+import org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.config.ha.ReplicaPolicyConfiguration;
+import org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.config.ha.ReplicatedPolicyConfiguration;
+import org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.protocol.core.impl.PacketImpl;
+import org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.remoting.FailureListener;
+import org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.server.cluster.impl.MessageLoadBalancingType;
+import org.apache.activemq.artemis.junit.Wait;
+import org.apache.activemq.artemis.tests.integration.cluster.util.BackupSyncDelay;
+import org.junit.Test;
+
+public class LiveVoteOnBackupFailureClusterTest extends ClusterWithBackupFailoverTestBase {
+
+   @Override
+   protected void setupCluster(final MessageLoadBalancingType messageLoadBalancingType) throws Exception {
+      setupClusterConnectionWithBackups("cluster0", "queues", messageLoadBalancingType, 1, isNetty(), 0, new int[]{1, 2});
+
+      setupClusterConnectionWithBackups("cluster1", "queues", messageLoadBalancingType, 1, isNetty(), 1, new int[]{0, 2});
+
+      setupClusterConnectionWithBackups("cluster2", "queues", messageLoadBalancingType, 1, isNetty(), 2, new int[]{0, 1});
+
+      setupClusterConnectionWithBackups("cluster0", "queues", messageLoadBalancingType, 1, isNetty(), 3, new int[]{1, 2});
+
+      setupClusterConnectionWithBackups("cluster1", "queues", messageLoadBalancingType, 1, isNetty(), 4, new int[]{0, 2});
+
+      setupClusterConnectionWithBackups("cluster2", "queues", messageLoadBalancingType, 1, isNetty(), 5, new int[]{0, 1});
+   }
+
+   @Override
+   protected void setupServers() throws Exception {
+      // The backups
+      setupBackupServer(3, 0, isFileStorage(), isSharedStorage(), isNetty());
+      setupBackupServer(4, 1, isFileStorage(), isSharedStorage(), isNetty());
+      setupBackupServer(5, 2, isFileStorage(), isSharedStorage(), isNetty());
+
+      // The lives
+      setupLiveServer(0, isFileStorage(), isSharedStorage(), isNetty(), false);
+      setupLiveServer(1, isFileStorage(), isSharedStorage(), isNetty(), false);
+      setupLiveServer(2, isFileStorage(), isSharedStorage(), isNetty(), false);
+
+      //we need to know who is connected to who
+      ((ReplicatedPolicyConfiguration) servers[0].getConfiguration().getHAPolicyConfiguration()).setGroupName("group0");
+      ((ReplicatedPolicyConfiguration) servers[1].getConfiguration().getHAPolicyConfiguration()).setGroupName("group1");
+      ((ReplicatedPolicyConfiguration) servers[2].getConfiguration().getHAPolicyConfiguration()).setGroupName("group2");
+      ((ReplicaPolicyConfiguration) servers[3].getConfiguration().getHAPolicyConfiguration()).setGroupName("group0");
+      ((ReplicaPolicyConfiguration) servers[4].getConfiguration().getHAPolicyConfiguration()).setGroupName("group1");
+      ((ReplicaPolicyConfiguration) servers[5].getConfiguration().getHAPolicyConfiguration()).setGroupName("group2");
+
+      // Configure to vote to stay live, when backup dies
+      ((ReplicatedPolicyConfiguration) servers[0].getConfiguration().getHAPolicyConfiguration()).setVoteOnReplicationFailure(true);
+      ((ReplicatedPolicyConfiguration) servers[1].getConfiguration().getHAPolicyConfiguration()).setVoteOnReplicationFailure(true);
+      ((ReplicatedPolicyConfiguration) servers[2].getConfiguration().getHAPolicyConfiguration()).setVoteOnReplicationFailure(true);
+   }
+
+   protected boolean isSharedStorage() {
+      return false;
+   }
+
+   @Test
+   public void testLiveVoteSucceedsAfterBackupFailure() throws Exception {
+      startCluster();
+
+      // Wait for servers to start
+      for (int i = 0; i < servers.length; i++) {
+         waitForServerToStart(servers[i]);
+      }
+
+      // Wait for backup to sync replication
+      for (int i = 3; i < servers.length; i++) {
+         Wait.waitFor(() -> servers[3].isReplicaSync());
+      }
+
+      // Register failure listener to detect when live recognises the backup has died.
+      final CountDownLatch latch = new CountDownLatch(1);
+      servers[0].getReplicationManager().getBackupTransportConnection().addFailureListener(new FailureListener() {
+         @Override
+         public void connectionFailed(ActiveMQException exception, boolean failedOver) {
+            latch.countDown();
+         }
+
+         @Override
+         public void connectionFailed(ActiveMQException exception, boolean failedOver, String scaleDownTargetNodeID) {
+            latch.countDown();
+         }
+      });
+
+      servers[3].stop();
+
+      // Wait for live to notice backup is down.
+      latch.await(30, TimeUnit.SECONDS);
+
+      // The quorum vote time out is hardcoded 5s.  Wait for double the time then check server is live
+      Thread.sleep(10000);
+      assertTrue(servers[0].isStarted());
+   }
+
+   private void startCluster() throws Exception {
+      int[] liveServerIDs = new int[]{0, 1, 2};
+      setupCluster();
+      startServers(0, 1, 2);
+      new BackupSyncDelay(servers[4], servers[1], PacketImpl.REPLICATION_SCHEDULED_FAILOVER);
+      startServers(3, 4, 5);
+
+      for (int i : liveServerIDs) {
+         waitForTopology(servers[i], 3, 3);
+      }
+
+      waitForFailoverTopology(3, 0, 1, 2);
+      waitForFailoverTopology(4, 0, 1, 2);
+      waitForFailoverTopology(5, 0, 1, 2);
+   }
+}