diff --git a/solr/CHANGES.txt b/solr/CHANGES.txt
index 61431497272..21996159f08 100644
--- a/solr/CHANGES.txt
+++ b/solr/CHANGES.txt
@@ -146,6 +146,8 @@ Other Changes
 * SOLR-9983: Fixing NullPointerException failure by TestManagedSchemaThreadSafety 
   adding check for Zookeeper session expiration (Steve Rowe, Mikhail Khludnev)
 
+* SOLR-10043: Reduce logging of pre-start log rotation (janhoy)
+
 ==================  6.4.1 ==================
 
 Consult the LUCENE_CHANGES.txt file for additional, low level, changes in this release.
diff --git a/solr/bin/solr b/solr/bin/solr
index c2d0feba74c..cf9765d5625 100755
--- a/solr/bin/solr
+++ b/solr/bin/solr
@@ -1480,11 +1480,16 @@ if [ ! -e "$SOLR_HOME" ]; then
   echo -e "\nSolr home directory $SOLR_HOME not found!\n"
   exit 1
 fi
+if $verbose ; then
+  q=""
+else
+  q="-q"
+fi
 if [ "${SOLR_LOG_PRESTART_ROTATION:=true}" == "true" ]; then
-  run_tool utils -s "$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR" -l "$SOLR_LOGS_DIR" -remove_old_solr_logs 7 || echo "Failed removing old solr logs"
-  run_tool utils -s "$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR" -l "$SOLR_LOGS_DIR" -archive_gc_logs        || echo "Failed archiving old GC logs"
-  run_tool utils -s "$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR" -l "$SOLR_LOGS_DIR" -archive_console_logs   || echo "Failed archiving old console logs"
-  run_tool utils -s "$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR" -l "$SOLR_LOGS_DIR" -rotate_solr_logs 9     || echo "Failed rotating old solr logs"
+  run_tool utils -s "$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR" -l "$SOLR_LOGS_DIR" $q -remove_old_solr_logs 7 || echo "Failed removing old solr logs"
+  run_tool utils -s "$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR" -l "$SOLR_LOGS_DIR" $q -archive_gc_logs $q     || echo "Failed archiving old GC logs"
+  run_tool utils -s "$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR" -l "$SOLR_LOGS_DIR" $q -archive_console_logs   || echo "Failed archiving old console logs"
+  run_tool utils -s "$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR" -l "$SOLR_LOGS_DIR" $q -rotate_solr_logs 9     || echo "Failed rotating old solr logs"
 fi
 
 java_ver_out=`echo "$("$JAVA" -version 2>&1)"`
diff --git a/solr/bin/solr.cmd b/solr/bin/solr.cmd
index 65f2a5745f2..6cd0096f3cc 100644
--- a/solr/bin/solr.cmd
+++ b/solr/bin/solr.cmd
@@ -1219,10 +1219,12 @@ goto done
 
 :run_utils
 set "TOOL_CMD=%~1"
+set q="-q"
+IF "%verbose%"=="1"  set q=""
 "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
   -Dlog4j.configuration="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j.properties" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
-  org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI utils -s "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%" -l "%SOLR_LOGS_DIR%" %TOOL_CMD%
+  org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI utils -s "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%" -l "%SOLR_LOGS_DIR%" %q:"=% %TOOL_CMD%
 if errorlevel 1 (
    exit /b 1
 )