diff --git a/solr/CHANGES.txt b/solr/CHANGES.txt
index cfa27b84364..f0a65afbf5c 100644
--- a/solr/CHANGES.txt
+++ b/solr/CHANGES.txt
@@ -69,6 +69,10 @@ Upgrade Notes
 
 * SOLR-11694: Extremely outdated UIMA contrib module has been removed (Alexandre Rafalovitch)
 
+* SOLR-12008: The configuration file for log4j2.xml is now in ../server/resources/log4j2.xml. All other copies have been removed.
+  WINDOWS USERS: This JIRA corrects a bug in the start scripts that put example logs under ...\server, solr.log is
+  now under ...\example. (Erick Erickson)
+
 New Features
 ----------------------
 
@@ -124,7 +128,7 @@ Bug Fixes
 
 * SOLR-12413: If Zookeeper was pre-loaded with data before first-use, then the aliases information would be ignored.
   (David Smiley, Gaël Jourdan, Gus Heck)
-  
+
 * SOLR-12482: Config API returns status 0 for failed operations. (Steve Rowe)
 
 * SOLR-12513: Reproducing TestCodecSupport.testMixedCompressionMode failure (Erick Erickson)
diff --git a/solr/bin/solr b/solr/bin/solr
index 6612f2cd556..804ef2b3dc5 100755
--- a/solr/bin/solr
+++ b/solr/bin/solr
@@ -698,7 +698,7 @@ function jetty_port() {
 function run_tool() {
 
   "$JAVA" $SOLR_SSL_OPTS $AUTHC_OPTS $SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS -Dsolr.install.dir="$SOLR_TIP" \
-    -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR/scripts/cloud-scripts/log4j2.xml" \
+    -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR/resources/log4j2-console.xml" \
     -classpath "$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR/solr-webapp/webapp/WEB-INF/lib/*:$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR/lib/ext/*" \
     org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI "$@"
 
@@ -1845,7 +1845,7 @@ if [ -z "$SOLR_LOGS_DIR" ]; then
 fi
 EXAMPLE_DIR="$SOLR_TIP/example"
 if [ "${SOLR_HOME:0:${#EXAMPLE_DIR}}" = "$EXAMPLE_DIR" ]; then
-  LOG4J_PROPS="$EXAMPLE_DIR/resources/log4j2.xml"
+  LOG4J_PROPS="$DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR/resources/log4j2.xml"
   SOLR_LOGS_DIR="$SOLR_HOME/../logs"
 fi
 
@@ -1995,7 +1995,7 @@ if [ -z "$SOLR_TIMEZONE" ]; then
 fi
 
 # Launches Solr in foreground/background depending on parameters
-function launch_solr() {
+function start_solr() {
 
   run_in_foreground="$1"
   stop_port="$STOP_PORT"
@@ -2165,6 +2165,6 @@ function launch_solr() {
   fi
 }
 
-launch_solr "$FG" "$ADDITIONAL_CMD_OPTS" "$ADDITIONAL_JETTY_CONFIG"
+start_solr "$FG" "$ADDITIONAL_CMD_OPTS" "$ADDITIONAL_JETTY_CONFIG"
 
 exit $?
diff --git a/solr/bin/solr.cmd b/solr/bin/solr.cmd
index 274a1a8375c..1750c2f43a5 100755
--- a/solr/bin/solr.cmd
+++ b/solr/bin/solr.cmd
@@ -979,14 +979,12 @@ IF [%SOLR_LOGS_DIR%] == [] (
 ) ELSE (
   set SOLR_LOGS_DIR=%SOLR_LOGS_DIR:"=%
 )
-set SOLR_LOGS_DIR_QUOTED="%SOLR_LOGS_DIR%"
-set SOLR_DATA_HOME_QUOTED="%SOLR_DATA_HOME%"
 
 set "EXAMPLE_DIR=%SOLR_TIP%\example"
 set TMP=!SOLR_HOME:%EXAMPLE_DIR%=!
 IF NOT "%TMP%"=="%SOLR_HOME%" (
   set "SOLR_LOGS_DIR=%SOLR_HOME%\..\logs"
-  set "LOG4J_CONFIG=file:%EXAMPLE_DIR%\resources\log4j2.xml"
+  set "LOG4J_CONFIG=file:///%SOLR_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2.xml"
 )
 
 set IS_RESTART=0
@@ -1260,9 +1258,13 @@ IF "%SOLR_SSL_ENABLED%"=="true" (
   set "START_OPTS=%START_OPTS% %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% !SSL_PORT_PROP!"
 )
 IF NOT "%SOLR_LOG_LEVEL%"=="" set "START_OPTS=%START_OPTS% -Dsolr.log.level=%SOLR_LOG_LEVEL%"
+
+set SOLR_LOGS_DIR_QUOTED="%SOLR_LOGS_DIR%"
+set SOLR_DATA_HOME_QUOTED="%SOLR_DATA_HOME%"
+
 set "START_OPTS=%START_OPTS% -Dsolr.log.dir=%SOLR_LOGS_DIR_QUOTED%"
 IF NOT "%SOLR_DATA_HOME%"=="" set "START_OPTS=%START_OPTS% -Dsolr.data.home=%SOLR_DATA_HOME_QUOTED%"
-IF NOT DEFINED LOG4J_CONFIG set "LOG4J_CONFIG=file:%SOLR_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2.xml"
+IF NOT DEFINED LOG4J_CONFIG set "LOG4J_CONFIG=file:///%SOLR_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2.xml"
 
 cd /d "%SOLR_SERVER_DIR%"
 
@@ -1310,7 +1312,7 @@ IF "%FG%"=="1" (
 
   REM now wait to see Solr come online ...
   "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" -Dsolr.default.confdir="%DEFAULT_CONFDIR%"^
-    -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+    -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
     -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
     org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI status -maxWaitSecs 30 -solr !SOLR_URL_SCHEME!://%SOLR_TOOL_HOST%:%SOLR_PORT%/solr
 )
@@ -1321,7 +1323,7 @@ goto done
 REM Run the requested example
 
 "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI run_example -script "%SDIR%\solr.cmd" -e %EXAMPLE% -d "%SOLR_SERVER_DIR%" ^
   -urlScheme !SOLR_URL_SCHEME! !PASS_TO_RUN_EXAMPLE!
@@ -1343,7 +1345,7 @@ for /f "usebackq" %%i in (`dir /b "%SOLR_TIP%\bin" ^| findstr /i "^solr-.*\.port
           set has_info=1
           echo Found Solr process %%k running on port !SOME_SOLR_PORT!
           "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-            -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+            -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
             -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
             org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI status -solr !SOLR_URL_SCHEME!://%SOLR_TOOL_HOST%:!SOME_SOLR_PORT!/solr
           @echo.
@@ -1392,14 +1394,14 @@ IF NOT DEFINED HEALTHCHECK_VERBOSE set "HEALTHCHECK_VERBOSE="
 IF NOT DEFINED HEALTHCHECK_ZK_HOST set "HEALTHCHECK_ZK_HOST=localhost:9983"
 echo ZK_HOST: !ZK_HOST!
 "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI healthcheck -collection !HEALTHCHECK_COLLECTION! -zkHost !ZK_HOST! %HEALTHCHECK_VERBOSE%
 goto done
 
 :run_assert
 "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI %* 
 if errorlevel 1 (
@@ -1435,7 +1437,7 @@ IF NOT "!ZK_HOST!"=="" SET "CONFIG_ARGS=!CONFIG_ARGS! -z !ZK_HOST!"
 IF NOT "!SOLR_URL_SCHEME!"=="" SET "CONFIG_ARGS=!CONFIG_ARGS! -scheme !SOLR_URL_SCHEME!"
 
 "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI config !CONFIG_ARGS!
 if errorlevel 1 (
@@ -1445,7 +1447,7 @@ goto done
 
 :get_version
 "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI version
 goto done
@@ -1455,7 +1457,7 @@ set "TOOL_CMD=%~1"
 set q="-q"
 IF "%verbose%"=="1"  set q=""
 "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI utils -s "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%" -l "%SOLR_LOGS_DIR%" %q:"=% %TOOL_CMD%
 if errorlevel 1 (
@@ -1561,13 +1563,13 @@ if "!CREATE_CONFDIR!"=="_default" (
 
 if "%SCRIPT_CMD%"=="create_core" (
   "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-    -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+    -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
     -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
     org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI create_core -name !CREATE_NAME! -solrUrl !SOLR_URL_SCHEME!://%SOLR_TOOL_HOST%:!CREATE_PORT!/solr ^
     -confdir !CREATE_CONFDIR! -configsetsDir "%SOLR_TIP%\server\solr\configsets" %CREATE_VERBOSE%
 ) else (
   "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" -Dsolr.default.confdir="%DEFAULT_CONFDIR%"^
-    -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+    -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
     -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
     org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI create -name !CREATE_NAME! -shards !CREATE_NUM_SHARDS! -replicationFactor !CREATE_REPFACT! ^
     -confname !CREATE_CONFNAME! -confdir !CREATE_CONFDIR! -configsetsDir "%SOLR_TIP%\server\solr\configsets" ^
@@ -1642,7 +1644,7 @@ if "!DELETE_CONFIG!"=="" (
 )
 
 "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
--Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+-Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
 -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
 org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI delete -name !DELETE_NAME! -deleteConfig !DELETE_CONFIG! ^
 -solrUrl !SOLR_URL_SCHEME!://%SOLR_TOOL_HOST%:!DELETE_PORT!/solr %DELETE_VERBOSE%
@@ -1778,7 +1780,7 @@ IF "!ZK_OP!"=="upconfig" (
     goto zk_short_usage
   )
   "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI !ZK_OP! -confname !CONFIGSET_NAME! -confdir !CONFIGSET_DIR! -zkHost !ZK_HOST! %ZK_VERBOSE%^
   -configsetsDir "%SOLR_TIP%/server/solr/configsets"
@@ -1792,7 +1794,7 @@ IF "!ZK_OP!"=="upconfig" (
     goto zk_short_usage
   )
   "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI !ZK_OP! -confname !CONFIGSET_NAME! -confdir !CONFIGSET_DIR! -zkHost !ZK_HOST! %ZK_VERBOSE%
 ) ELSE IF "!ZK_OP!"=="cp" (
@@ -1811,7 +1813,7 @@ IF "!ZK_OP!"=="upconfig" (
   )
   )
   "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI !ZK_OP! -zkHost !ZK_HOST! -src !ZK_SRC! -dst !ZK_DST! -recurse !ZK_RECURSE! %ZK_VERBOSE%
 ) ELSE IF "!ZK_OP!"=="mv" (
@@ -1824,7 +1826,7 @@ IF "!ZK_OP!"=="upconfig" (
     goto zk_short_usage
   )
   "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI !ZK_OP! -zkHost !ZK_HOST! -src !ZK_SRC! -dst !ZK_DST! %ZK_VERBOSE%
 ) ELSE IF "!ZK_OP!"=="rm" (
@@ -1833,7 +1835,7 @@ IF "!ZK_OP!"=="upconfig" (
     goto zk_short_usage
   )
   "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI !ZK_OP! -zkHost !ZK_HOST! -path !ZK_SRC! -recurse !ZK_RECURSE! %ZK_VERBOSE%
 ) ELSE IF "!ZK_OP!"=="ls" (
@@ -1842,7 +1844,7 @@ IF "!ZK_OP!"=="upconfig" (
     goto zk_short_usage
   )
   "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI !ZK_OP! -zkHost !ZK_HOST! -path !ZK_SRC! -recurse !ZK_RECURSE! %ZK_VERBOSE%
 ) ELSE IF "!ZK_OP!"=="mkroot" (
@@ -1851,7 +1853,7 @@ IF "!ZK_OP!"=="upconfig" (
     goto zk_short_usage
   )
   "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+  -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%SOLR_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
   -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
   org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI !ZK_OP! -zkHost !ZK_HOST! -path !ZK_SRC! %ZK_VERBOSE%
 ) ELSE (
@@ -1912,7 +1914,7 @@ if "!AUTH_PORT!"=="" (
   )
 )
 "%JAVA%" %SOLR_SSL_OPTS% %AUTHC_OPTS% %SOLR_ZK_CREDS_AND_ACLS% -Dsolr.install.dir="%SOLR_TIP%" ^
-    -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\scripts\cloud-scripts\log4j2.xml" ^
+    -Dlog4j.configurationFile="file:///%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\resources\log4j2-console.xml" ^
     -classpath "%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\solr-webapp\webapp\WEB-INF\lib\*;%DEFAULT_SERVER_DIR%\lib\ext\*" ^
     org.apache.solr.util.SolrCLI auth %AUTH_PARAMS% -solrIncludeFile "%SOLR_INCLUDE%" -authConfDir "%SOLR_HOME%" ^
     -solrUrl !SOLR_URL_SCHEME!://%SOLR_TOOL_HOST%:!AUTH_PORT!/solr
diff --git a/solr/contrib/dataimporthandler/src/test-files/log4j2.xml b/solr/contrib/dataimporthandler/src/test-files/log4j2.xml
deleted file mode 100644
index fd74d4ef83f..00000000000
--- a/solr/contrib/dataimporthandler/src/test-files/log4j2.xml
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,36 +0,0 @@
-<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
-<!--
-  Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
-  contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
-  this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
-  The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
-  (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
-  the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
-
-      http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
-
-  Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
-  distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
-  WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
-  See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
-  limitations under the License.
-  -->
-
-<Configuration>
-  <Appenders>
-    <Console name="STDERR" target="SYSTEM_ERR">
-      <PatternLayout>
-        <Pattern>
-          %-5p - %d{yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss.SSS}; %c; %m%n
-        </Pattern>
-      </PatternLayout>
-    </Console>
-  </Appenders>
-  <Loggers>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.zookeeper" level="WARN"/>
-
-    <Root level="INFO">
-      <AppenderRef ref="STDERR"/>
-    </Root>
-  </Loggers>
-</Configuration>
diff --git a/solr/contrib/ltr/src/test-files/log4j2.xml b/solr/contrib/ltr/src/test-files/log4j2.xml
deleted file mode 100644
index b4678c171d7..00000000000
--- a/solr/contrib/ltr/src/test-files/log4j2.xml
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,40 +0,0 @@
-<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
-<!--
-  Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
-  contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
-  this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
-  The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
-  (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
-  the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
-
-      http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
-
-  Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
-  distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
-  WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
-  See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
-  limitations under the License.
-  -->
-
-<Configuration>
-  <Appenders>
-    <Console name="STDERR" target="SYSTEM_ERR">
-      <PatternLayout>
-        <Pattern>
-          %-4r %-5p (%t) [%X{node_name} %X{collection} %X{shard} %X{replica} %X{core}] %c{1.} %m%n
-        </Pattern>
-      </PatternLayout>
-    </Console>
-  </Appenders>
-  <Loggers>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.zookeeper" level="WARN"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.hadoop" level="WARN"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.directory" level="WARN"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.solr.hadoop" level="INFO"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.solr.client.solrj.embedded.JettySolrRunner" level="DEBUG"/>
-
-    <Root level="INFO">
-      <AppenderRef ref="STDERR"/>
-    </Root>
-  </Loggers>
-</Configuration>
diff --git a/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/bin/solr-exporter b/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/bin/solr-exporter
index 751e6c76f09..834e83ef1ec 100755
--- a/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/bin/solr-exporter
+++ b/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/bin/solr-exporter
@@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ do
   CLASSPATH="$CLASSPATH":"$JAR"
 done
 
-EXTRA_JVM_ARGUMENTS="-Xmx512m -Dlog4j.configurationFile=file:"$BASEDIR"/conf/log4j2.xml"
+EXTRA_JVM_ARGUMENTS="-Xmx512m -Dlog4j.configurationFile=file:"$BASEDIR"/../../server/resources/log4j2-console.xml"
 
 # For Cygwin, switch paths to Windows format before running java
 if $cygwin; then
diff --git a/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/bin/solr-exporter.cmd b/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/bin/solr-exporter.cmd
index 31b88257763..f51cfa88289 100644
--- a/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/bin/solr-exporter.cmd
+++ b/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/bin/solr-exporter.cmd
@@ -69,7 +69,7 @@ if "%JAVACMD%"=="" set JAVACMD=java
 if "%REPO%"=="" set REPO=%BASEDIR%\lib
 
 set CLASSPATH=%REPO%\*;%BASEDIR%\..\..\dist\solrj-lib\*;%BASEDIR%\..\..\dist\*;%BASEDIR%\lucene-libs\*
-set EXTRA_JVM_ARGUMENTS=-Xmx512m -Dlog4j.configurationFile=file:%BASEDIR%/conf/log4j2.xml
+set EXTRA_JVM_ARGUMENTS=-Xmx512m -Dlog4j.configurationFile=file:///%BASEDIR%\..\..\server\resources\log4j2-console.xml
 goto endInit
 
 @REM Reaching here means variables are defined and arguments have been captured
diff --git a/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/conf/log4j2.xml b/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/conf/log4j2.xml
deleted file mode 100644
index 218ee61730c..00000000000
--- a/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/conf/log4j2.xml
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,53 +0,0 @@
-<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
-<!--
-  Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
-  contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
-  this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
-  The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
-  (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
-  the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
-
-      http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
-
-  Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
-  distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
-  WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
-  See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
-  limitations under the License.
-  -->
-
-<Configuration>
-  <Appenders>
-    <Console name="STDOUT" target="SYSTEM_OUT">
-      <PatternLayout>
-        <Pattern>
-          %d{yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss.SSS} %-5p (%t) [%X{collection} %X{shard} %X{replica} %X{core}] %c{1.} %m%n
-        </Pattern>
-      </PatternLayout>
-    </Console>
-    <RollingFile
-        name="RollingFile"
-        fileName="${sys:solr.log.dir}/solr.log"
-        filePattern="${sys:solr.log.dir}/solr.log.%i" >
-      <PatternLayout>
-        <Pattern>
-          %d{yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss.SSS} %-5p (%t) [%X{collection} %X{shard} %X{replica} %X{core}] %c{1.} %m%n
-        </Pattern>
-      </PatternLayout>
-      <Policies>
-        <SizeBasedTriggeringPolicy size="32 MB"/>
-      </Policies>
-      <DefaultRolloverStrategy max="10"/>
-    </RollingFile>
-  </Appenders>
-  <Loggers>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.hadoop" level="warn"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.solr.update.LoggingInfoStream" level="off"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.zookeeper" level="warn"/>
-
-    <Root level="info">
-      <AppenderRef ref="RollingFile"/>
-      <AppenderRef ref="STDOUT"/>
-    </Root>
-  </Loggers>
-</Configuration>
diff --git a/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/src/test-files/conf/log4j2.xml b/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/src/test-files/conf/log4j2.xml
deleted file mode 100644
index 5b31a73a415..00000000000
--- a/solr/contrib/prometheus-exporter/src/test-files/conf/log4j2.xml
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,35 +0,0 @@
-<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
-<!--
-  Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
-  contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
-  this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
-  The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
-  (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
-  the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
-
-      http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
-
-  Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
-  distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
-  WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
-  See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
-  limitations under the License.
-  -->
-
-<Configuration>
-  <Appenders>
-    <Console name="STDERR" target="SYSTEM_ERR">
-      <PatternLayout>
-        <Pattern>
-          %d{yyyy-MM-dd'T'HH:mm:ss.SSS} %-5p [%c] - %m%n
-        </Pattern>
-      </PatternLayout>
-    </Console>
-  </Appenders>
-
-  <Loggers>
-    <Root level="INFO">
-      <AppenderRef ref="STDERR"/>
-    </Root>
-  </Loggers>
-</Configuration>
diff --git a/solr/example/README.txt b/solr/example/README.txt
index 4e572e0144d..1bfb598905f 100644
--- a/solr/example/README.txt
+++ b/solr/example/README.txt
@@ -73,6 +73,6 @@ solrconfig.xml.
 By default, Jetty & Solr will log to the console and logs/solr.log. This can
 be convenient when first getting started, but eventually you will want to
 log just to a file. To configure logging, edit the log4j2.xml file in
-"resources".
+".../server/resources".
 It is also possible to setup log4j or other popular logging frameworks.
 
diff --git a/solr/example/resources/log4j2.xml b/solr/example/resources/log4j2.xml
deleted file mode 100644
index 5868258cc44..00000000000
--- a/solr/example/resources/log4j2.xml
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,76 +0,0 @@
-<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
-<!--
-  Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
-  contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
-  this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
-  The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
-  (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
-  the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
-
-      http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
-
-  Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
-  distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
-  WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
-  See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
-  limitations under the License.
-  -->
-
-<Configuration>
-  <Appenders>
-
-    <Console name="STDOUT" target="SYSTEM_OUT">
-      <PatternLayout>
-        <Pattern>
-          %-4r [%t] %-5p %c %x [%X{collection} %X{shard} %X{replica} %X{core}] %c; %m%n
-        </Pattern>
-      </PatternLayout>
-    </Console>
-
-    <RollingFile
-        name="RollingFile"
-        fileName="${sys:solr.log.dir}/solr.log"
-        filePattern="${sys:solr.log.dir}/solr.log.%i" >
-      <PatternLayout>
-        <Pattern>
-          %-5p - %d{yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss.SSS}; [%X{collection} %X{shard} %X{replica} %X{core}] %c; %m%n
-        </Pattern>
-      </PatternLayout>
-      <Policies>
-        <OnStartupTriggeringPolicy />
-        <SizeBasedTriggeringPolicy size="32 MB"/>
-      </Policies>
-      <DefaultRolloverStrategy max="10"/>
-    </RollingFile>
-
-    <RollingFile
-        name="SlowFile"
-        fileName="${sys:solr.log.dir}/solr_slow_requests.log"
-        filePattern="${sys:solr.log.dir}/solr_slow_requests.log.%i" >
-      <PatternLayout>
-        <Pattern>
-          %d{yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss.SSS} %-5p (%t) [%X{collection} %X{shard} %X{replica} %X{core}] %c{1.} %m%n
-        </Pattern>
-      </PatternLayout>
-      <Policies>
-        <OnStartupTriggeringPolicy />
-        <SizeBasedTriggeringPolicy size="32 MB"/>
-      </Policies>
-      <DefaultRolloverStrategy max="10"/>
-    </RollingFile>
-
-  </Appenders>
-  <Loggers>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.hadoop" level="warn"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.solr.update.LoggingInfoStream" level="off"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.zookeeper" level="warn"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.solr.core.SolrCore.SlowRequest" level="info" additivity="false">
-      <AppenderRef ref="SlowFile"/>
-    </Logger>
-
-    <Root level="info">
-      <AppenderRef ref="RollingFile"/>
-      <AppenderRef ref="STDOUT"/>
-    </Root>
-  </Loggers>
-</Configuration>
diff --git a/solr/contrib/clustering/src/test-files/log4j2.xml b/solr/server/resources/log4j2-console.xml
similarity index 90%
rename from solr/contrib/clustering/src/test-files/log4j2.xml
rename to solr/server/resources/log4j2-console.xml
index 9b2a0291ff7..f32f4c142e2 100644
--- a/solr/contrib/clustering/src/test-files/log4j2.xml
+++ b/solr/server/resources/log4j2-console.xml
@@ -16,6 +16,8 @@
   limitations under the License.
   -->
 
+<!-- Use this file for logging exlusively to the console, useful for 
+     some development tasks. Should not be used for production -->
 <Configuration>
   <Appenders>
     <Console name="STDERR" target="SYSTEM_ERR">
diff --git a/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/log4j2.xml b/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/log4j2.xml
deleted file mode 100644
index bd90f7747f2..00000000000
--- a/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/log4j2.xml
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,37 +0,0 @@
-<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
-<!--
-  Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
-  contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
-  this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
-  The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
-  (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
-  the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
-
-      http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
-
-  Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
-  distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
-  WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
-  See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
-  limitations under the License.
-  -->
-
-<Configuration>
-  <Appenders>
-    <Console name="STDERR" target="SYSTEM_ERR">
-      <PatternLayout>
-        <Pattern>
-          %-5p - %d{yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss.SSS}; %c; %m%n
-        </Pattern>
-      </PatternLayout>
-    </Console>
-  </Appenders>
-  <Loggers>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.zookeeper" level="WARN"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.solr.common.cloud" level="WARN"/>
-
-    <Root level="INFO">
-      <AppenderRef ref="STDERR"/>
-    </Root>
-  </Loggers>
-</Configuration>
diff --git a/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/snapshotscli.sh b/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/snapshotscli.sh
index 59f6a94336c..e5a26d6457e 100755
--- a/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/snapshotscli.sh
+++ b/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/snapshotscli.sh
@@ -8,7 +8,7 @@ run_solr_snapshot_tool() {
   if [ -n "$LOG4J_PROPS" ]; then
     log4j_config="file:${LOG4J_PROPS}"
   else
-    log4j_config="file:${scriptDir}/log4j2.xml"
+    log4j_config="file:${scriptDir}/../../resources/log4j2-console.xml"
   fi
   PATH=${JAVA_HOME}/bin:${PATH} ${JVM} ${ZKCLI_JVM_FLAGS} -Dlog4j.configurationFile=${log4j_config} \
   -classpath "${solrLibPath}" org.apache.solr.core.snapshots.SolrSnapshotsTool "$@" 2> /dev/null
diff --git a/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/zkcli.bat b/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/zkcli.bat
index 7187b2024fa..67a1fd4933c 100644
--- a/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/zkcli.bat
+++ b/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/zkcli.bat
@@ -10,9 +10,9 @@ set SDIR=%~dp0
 if "%SDIR:~-1%"=="\" set SDIR=%SDIR:~0,-1%
 
 if defined LOG4J_PROPS (
-  set "LOG4J_CONFIG=file:%LOG4J_PROPS%"
+  set "LOG4J_CONFIG=file:///%LOG4J_PROPS%"
 ) else (
-  set "LOG4J_CONFIG=file:%SDIR%\log4j2.xml"
+  set "LOG4J_CONFIG=file:///%SDIR%\..\..\resources\log4j2-console.xml"
 )
 
 REM Settings for ZK ACL
diff --git a/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/zkcli.sh b/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/zkcli.sh
index 97df2d4d49a..37b1ec9aa05 100755
--- a/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/zkcli.sh
+++ b/solr/server/scripts/cloud-scripts/zkcli.sh
@@ -12,7 +12,7 @@ sdir="`dirname \"$0\"`"
 if [ -n "$LOG4J_PROPS" ]; then
   log4j_config="file:$LOG4J_PROPS"
 else
-  log4j_config="file:$sdir/log4j2.xml"
+  log4j_config="file:$sdir/../../resources/log4j2-console.xml"
 fi
 
 # Settings for ZK ACL
diff --git a/solr/solrj/src/test-files/log4j2.xml b/solr/solrj/src/test-files/log4j2.xml
deleted file mode 100644
index 7d0ebf7a497..00000000000
--- a/solr/solrj/src/test-files/log4j2.xml
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,39 +0,0 @@
-<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
-<!--
-  Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
-  contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
-  this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
-  The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
-  (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
-  the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
-
-      http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
-
-  Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
-  distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
-  WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
-  See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
-  limitations under the License.
-  -->
-
-<Configuration>
-  <Appenders>
-    <Console name="STDERR" target="SYSTEM_ERR">
-      <PatternLayout>
-        <Pattern>
-          %-4r %-5p (%t) [%X{node_name} %X{collection} %X{shard} %X{replica} %X{core}] %c{1.} %m%n
-        </Pattern>
-      </PatternLayout>
-    </Console>
-  </Appenders>
-  <Loggers>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.zookeeper" level="WARN"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.hadoop" level="WARN"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.directory" level="WARN"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.solr.hadoop" level="INFO"/>
-
-    <Root level="INFO">
-      <AppenderRef ref="STDERR"/>
-    </Root>
-  </Loggers>
-</Configuration>
diff --git a/solr/test-framework/src/test-files/log4j2.xml b/solr/test-framework/src/test-files/log4j2.xml
deleted file mode 100644
index 7d0ebf7a497..00000000000
--- a/solr/test-framework/src/test-files/log4j2.xml
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,39 +0,0 @@
-<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
-<!--
-  Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
-  contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
-  this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
-  The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
-  (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
-  the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
-
-      http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
-
-  Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
-  distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
-  WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
-  See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
-  limitations under the License.
-  -->
-
-<Configuration>
-  <Appenders>
-    <Console name="STDERR" target="SYSTEM_ERR">
-      <PatternLayout>
-        <Pattern>
-          %-4r %-5p (%t) [%X{node_name} %X{collection} %X{shard} %X{replica} %X{core}] %c{1.} %m%n
-        </Pattern>
-      </PatternLayout>
-    </Console>
-  </Appenders>
-  <Loggers>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.zookeeper" level="WARN"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.hadoop" level="WARN"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.directory" level="WARN"/>
-    <Logger name="org.apache.solr.hadoop" level="INFO"/>
-
-    <Root level="INFO">
-      <AppenderRef ref="STDERR"/>
-    </Root>
-  </Loggers>
-</Configuration>