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\n\nAs said on dev, the best tool I can see in terms of giving translators a proper interface and quality control would be something like GlotPress. It's based on the PO messages format (is that somehow related to ICU?) but looks pretty great.
\n\n\n\nI'm not familiar with the term in this context, you mean keeping the English version in the code base (instead of a generic code like message_error_nametooshort ?)
ICU Message format is basically Gettext on steroids, Gettext has been around for so many years and actually works pretty well, being super prevalent in Linux.
\n\nTrouble is you need a fuzzy matcher for translators if you are going to store stuff like mf.compile( 'This is a message.' ) in source, one letter change and all your translators need to validate it.
Yeah, that's why I've always been a friend of message_error_nametooshort placeholders, until I asked the SO question linked above. The accepted answer makes a good argument against those placeholders: you want translations to break even on small changes in the English original because the translations will probably need to reflect the change, too. Maybe that's not the case right now as new stuff is being checked in pretty much every couple of hours, but in the long run, it'll be overwhelmingly true.
Hmm...You could theoretically also build something into the development process that would monitor changes to the English locale file and make a translator-friendly list of changes between versions.
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\n\nBut it does require changing how you work with text, and adding one new tool to the mix. So for projects that just don't want to know about non-English languages, it's not yet seamless the way Unicode is these days.
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