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PEP: 474
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Title: Creating forge.python.org
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Version: $Revision$
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Last-Modified: $Date$
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Author: Alyssa Coghlan <ncoghlan@gmail.com>
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Status: Withdrawn
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Type: Process
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Content-Type: text/x-rst
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Created: 19-Jul-2014
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Post-History: 19-Jul-2014, 08-Jan-2015, 01-Feb-2015
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Abstract
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========
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This PEP proposes setting up a new PSF provided resource, forge.python.org,
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as a location for maintaining various supporting repositories
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(such as the repository for Python Enhancement Proposals) in a way that is
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more accessible to new contributors, and easier to manage for core
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developers.
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This PEP does *not* propose any changes to the core development workflow
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for CPython itself (see :pep:`462` in relation to that).
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PEP Withdrawal
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==============
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This PEP has been `withdrawn by the author
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<https://mail.python.org/pipermail/core-workflow/2015-October/000227.html>`_
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in favour of the GitLab based proposal in :pep:`507`.
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If anyone else would like to take over championing this PEP, contact the
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`core-workflow mailing list <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/core-workflow>`_
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Proposal
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========
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This PEP proposes that an instance of the self-hosted Kallithea code
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repository management system be deployed as "forge.python.org".
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Individual repositories (such as the developer guide or the PEPs repository)
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may then be migrated from the existing hg.python.org infrastructure to the
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new forge.python.org infrastructure on a case-by-case basis. Each migration
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will need to decide whether to retain a read-only mirror on hg.python.org,
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or whether to just migrate wholesale to the new location.
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In addition to supporting read-only mirrors on hg.python.org,
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forge.python.org will also aim to support hosting mirrors on popular
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proprietary hosting sites like GitHub and BitBucket. The aim will be to
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allow users familiar with these sites to submit and discuss pull requests
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using their preferred workflow, with forge.python.org automatically bringing
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those contributions over to the master repository.
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Given the availability and popularity of commercially backed "free for open
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source projects" repository hosting services, this would not be a general
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purpose hosting site for arbitrary Python projects. The initial focus will be
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specifically on CPython and other repositories currently hosted on
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hg.python.org. In the future, this could potentially be expanded to
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consolidating other PSF managed repositories that are currently externally
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hosted to gain access to a pull request based workflow, such as the
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repository for the python.org Django application. As with the initial
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migrations, any such future migrations would be considered on a case-by-case
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basis, taking into account the preferences of the primary users of each
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repository.
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Rationale
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=========
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Currently, hg.python.org hosts more than just the core CPython repository,
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it also hosts other repositories such as those for the CPython developer
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guide and for Python Enhancement Proposals, along with various "sandbox"
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repositories for core developer experimentation.
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While the simple "pull request" style workflow made popular by code hosting
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sites like GitHub and BitBucket isn't adequate for the complex branching
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model needed for parallel maintenance and development of the various
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CPython releases, it's a good fit for several of the ancillary projects
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that surround CPython that we don't wish to move to a proprietary hosting
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site.
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The key requirements proposed for a PSF provided software forge are:
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* MUST support simple "pull request" style workflows
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* MUST support online editing for simple changes
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* MUST be backed by an active development organisation (community or
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commercial)
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* MUST support self-hosting of the master repository on PSF infrastructure
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without ongoing fees
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Additional recommended requirements that are satisfied by this proposal,
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but may be negotiable if a sufficiently compelling alternative is presented:
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* SHOULD be a fully open source application written in Python
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* SHOULD support Mercurial (for consistency with existing tooling)
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* SHOULD support Git (to provide that option to users that prefer it)
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* SHOULD allow users of git and Mercurial clients to transparently
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collaborate on the same repository
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* SHOULD allow users of GitHub and BitBucket to submit proposed changes using
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the standard pull request workflows offered by those tools
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* SHOULD be open to customisation to meet the needs of CPython core
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development, including providing a potential path forward for the
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proposed migration to a core reviewer model in :pep:`462`
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The preference for self-hosting without ongoing fees rules out the
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free-as-in-beer providers like GitHub and BitBucket, in addition to the
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various proprietary source code management offerings.
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The preference for Mercurial support not only rules out GitHub, but also
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other Git-only solutions like GitLab and Gitorious.
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The hard requirement for online editing support rules out the Apache
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Allura/HgForge combination.
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The preference for a fully open source solution rules out RhodeCode.
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Of the various options considered by the author of this proposal, that
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leaves `Kallithea SCM <https://kallithea-scm.org/>`__ as the proposed
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foundation for a forge.python.org service.
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Kallithea is a full GPLv3 application (derived from the clearly
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and unambiguously GPLv3 licensed components of RhodeCode) that is being
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developed under the auspices of the `Software Freedom Conservancy
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<http://sfconservancy.org/news/2014/jul/04/kallithea-joins/>`__. The
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Conservancy has `affirmed
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<http://sfconservancy.org/blog/2014/jul/15/why-kallithea/>`__ that the
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Kallithea codebase is completely and validly licensed under GPLv3. In
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addition to their role in building the initial Kallithea community, the
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Conservancy is also the legal home of both the Mercurial and Git projects.
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Other SFC member projects that may be familiar to Python users include
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Twisted, Gevent, BuildBot and PyPy.
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Intended Benefits
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==================
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The primary benefit of deploying Kallithea as forge.python.org is that
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supporting repositories such as the developer guide and the PEP repo could
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potentially be managed using pull requests and online editing. This would be
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much simpler than the current workflow which requires PEP editors and
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other core developers to act as intermediaries to apply updates suggested
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by other users.
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The richer administrative functionality would also make it substantially
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easier to grant users access to particular repositories for collaboration
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purposes, without having to grant them general access to the entire
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installation. This helps lower barriers to entry, as trust can more
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readily be granted and earned incrementally, rather than being an
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all-or-nothing decision around granting core developer access.
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Sustaining Engineering Considerations
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Even with its current workflow, CPython itself remains one of the largest
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open source projects in the world (in the
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`top 2%
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<https://www.openhub.net/p/python/factoids#FactoidTeamSizeVeryLarge>`__
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of projects tracked on OpenHub). Unfortunately, we have been significantly
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less effective at encouraging contributions to the projects that make up
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CPython's workflow infrastructure, including ensuring that our installations
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track upstream, and that wherever feasible, our own customisations are
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contributed back to the original project.
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As such, a core component of this proposal is to actively engage with the
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upstream Kallithea community to lower the barriers to working with and on
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the Kallithea SCM, as well as with the PSF Infrastructure team to ensure
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the forge.python.org service integrates cleanly with the PSF's infrastructure
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automation.
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This approach aims to provide a number of key benefits:
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* allowing those of us contributing to maintenance of this service to be
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as productive as possible in the time we have available
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* offering a compelling professional development opportunity to those
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volunteers that choose to participate in maintenance of this service
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* making the Kallithea project itself more attractive to other potential
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users by making it as easy as possible to adopt, deploy and manage
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* as a result of the above benefits, attracting sufficient contributors both
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in the upstream Kallithea community, and within the CPython infrastructure
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community, to allow the forge.python.org service to evolve effectively to
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meet changing developer expectations
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Some initial steps have already been taken to address these sustaining
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engineering concerns:
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* Tymoteusz Jankowski has been working with Donald Stufft to work out `what
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would be involved <https://github.com/xliiv/psf-salt/tree/kallithea>`__
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in deploying Kallithea using the PSF's Salt based infrastructure automation.
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* Graham Dumpleton and I have been working on
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`making it easy
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<http://www.curiousefficiency.org/posts/2014/12/kallithea-on-openshift.html>`__
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to deploy demonstration Kallithea instances to the free tier of Red Hat's open
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source hosting service, OpenShift Online. (See the comments on that post, or
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the `quickstart issue tracker
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<https://github.com/ncoghlan/openshift-kallithea/issues/>`__ for links to
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Graham's follow on work)
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The next major step to be undertaken is to come up with a local development
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workflow that allows contributors on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux to run
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the Kallithea tests locally, without interfering with the operation of
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their own system. The currently planned approach for this is to focus on
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Vagrant, which is a popular automated virtual machine management system
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specifically aimed at developers running local VMs for testing purposes.
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The `Vagrant based development guidelines
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<http://www.openshift.org/documentation/oo_deployment_guide_vagrant.html>`__
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for OpenShift Origin provide an extended example of the kind of workflow this
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approach enables. It's also worth noting that Vagrant is one of the options
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for working with a local build of the `main python.org website
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<https://github.com/python/pythondotorg#using-vagrant>`__.
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If these workflow proposals end up working well for Kallithea, they may also
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be worth proposing for use by the upstream projects backing other PSF and
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CPython infrastructure services, including Roundup, BuildBot, and the main
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python.org web site.
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Personal Motivation
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As of July 2015, I now work for Red Hat as a software development workflow
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designer and process architect, focusing on the upstream developer experience
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in Fedora. Two of the key pieces of that experience will be familiar to many
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web service developers: Docker for local container management, and Vagrant for
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cross-platform local development VM management. Spending time applying these
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technologies in multiple upstream contexts helps provide additional insight
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into what works well and what still needs further improvement to provide a good
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software development experience that is well integrated on Fedora, but also
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readily available on other Linux distributions, Windows, Mac OS X.
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In relation to code review workflows in particular, the primary code review
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workflow management tools I've used in my career are
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Gerrit (for multi-step code review with fine-grained access control), GitHub
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and BitBucket (for basic pull request based workflows), and Rietveld (for
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CPython's optional pre-commit reviews).
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Kallithea is interesting as a base project to build, as it's currently a
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combined repo hosting and code review management platform, but doesn't
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directly integrate the two by offering online merges. This creates the
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opportunity to blend the low barrier to entry benefits of the GitHub/BitBucket
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pull request model with the mentoring and task hand-off benefits of Gerrit
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in defining an online code merging model for Kallithea in collaboration with
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the upstream Kallithea developers.
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Technical Concerns and Challenges
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Introducing a new service into the CPython infrastructure presents a number
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of interesting technical concerns and challenges. This section covers several
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of the most significant ones.
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Service hosting
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The default position of this PEP is that the new forge.python.org service
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will be integrated into the existing PSF Salt infrastructure and hosted on
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the PSF's Rackspace cloud infrastructure.
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However, other hosting options will also be considered, in particular,
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possible deployment as a `Kubernetes <http://kubernetes.io/>`__ hosted web
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service on either
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`Google Container Engine <https://cloud.google.com/container-engine/>`__ or
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the next generation of Red Hat's
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`OpenShift Online <http://www.openshift.org/>`__ service, by using either
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GCEPersistentDisk or the open source
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`GlusterFS distributed filesystem <http://www.emergingafrican.com/2015/02/configuring-kubernetes-to-use.html>`__
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to hold the source code repositories.
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Ongoing infrastructure maintenance
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Ongoing infrastructure maintenance is an area of concern within the PSF,
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as we currently lack a system administrator mentorship program equivalent to
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the `Fedora Infrastructure Apprentice
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<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted>`__ or
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`GNOME Infrastructure Apprentice <https://wiki.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Apprentices>`__
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programs.
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Instead, systems tend to be maintained largely by developers as a part-time
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activity on top of their development related contributions, rather than
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seeking to recruit folks that are more interested in operations (i.e.
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keeping existing systems running well) than they are in development (i.e.
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making changes to the services to provide new features or a better user
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experience, or to address existing issues).
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While I'd personally like to see the PSF operating such a program at some
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point in the future, I don't consider setting one up to be a
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feasible near term goal. However, I do consider it feasible to continue
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laying the groundwork for such a program by extending the PSF's existing
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usage of modern infrastructure technologies like OpenStack and Salt to
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cover more services, as well as starting to explore the potential benefits of
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containers and container platforms when it comes to maintaining and enhancing
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PSF provided services.
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I also plan to look into the question of whether or not an open source cloud
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management platform like `ManageIQ <http://manageiq.org/>`__ may help us
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bring our emerging "cloud sprawl" problem across Rackspace, Google, Amazon
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and other services more under control.
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User account management
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Ideally we'd like to be able to offer a single account that spans all
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python.org services, including Kallithea, Roundup/Rietveld, PyPI and the
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back end for the new python.org site, but actually implementing that would
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be a distinct infrastructure project, independent of this PEP. (It's also
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worth noting that the fine-grained control of ACLs offered by such a
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capability is a prerequisite for setting up an
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`effective system administrator mentorship program
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<https://www.dragonsreach.it/2015/01/28/the-gnome-infrastructure-apprentice-program/>`__)
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For the initial rollout of forge.python.org, we will likely create yet another
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identity silo within the PSF infrastructure. A potentially superior
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alternative would be to add support for `python-social-auth
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<https://python-social-auth.readthedocs.org>`__ to Kallithea, but actually
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doing so would not be a requirement for the initial rollout of the service
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(the main technical concern there is that Kallithea is a Pylons application
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that has not yet been ported to Pyramid, so integration will require either
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adding a Pylons backend to python-social-auth, or else embarking on the
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Pyramid migration in Kallithea).
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Breaking existing SSH access and links for Mercurial repositories
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This PEP proposes leaving the existing hg.python.org installation alone,
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and setting up Kallithea on a new host. This approach minimises the risk
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of interfering with the development of CPython itself (and any other
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projects that don't migrate to the new software forge), but does make any
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migrations of existing repos more disruptive (since existing checkouts will
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break).
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Integration with Roundup
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Kallithea provides configurable issue tracker integration. This will need
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to be set up appropriately to integrate with the Roundup issue tracker at
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bugs.python.org before the initial rollout of the forge.python.org service.
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Accepting pull requests on GitHub and BitBucket
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The initial rollout of forge.python.org would support publication of read-only
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mirrors, both on hg.python.org and other services, as that is a relatively
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straightforward operation that can be implemented in a commit hook.
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While a highly desirable feature, accepting pull requests on external
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services, and mirroring them as submissions to the master repositories on
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forge.python.org is a more complex problem, and would likely not be included
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as part of the initial rollout of the forge.python.org service.
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Transparent Git and Mercurial interoperability
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Kallithea's native support for both Git and Mercurial offers an opportunity
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to make it relatively straightforward for developers to use the client
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of their choice to interact with repositories hosted on forge.python.org.
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This transparent interoperability does *not* exist yet, but running our own
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multi-VCS repository hosting service provides the opportunity to make this
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capability a reality, rather than passively waiting for a proprietary
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provider to deign to provide a feature that likely isn't in their commercial
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interest. There's a significant misalignment of incentives between open
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source communities and commercial providers in this particular area, as even
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though offering VCS client choice can significantly reduce community friction
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by eliminating the need for projects to make autocratic decisions that force
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particular tooling choices on potential contributors, top down enforcement
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of tool selection (regardless of developer preference) is currently still
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the norm in the corporate and other organisational environments that produce
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GitHub and Atlassian's paying customers.
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Prior to acceptance, in the absence of transparent interoperability, this PEP
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should propose specific recommendations for inclusion in the CPython
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developer's guide section for
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`git users <https://docs.python.org/devguide/gitdevs.html>`__ for creating
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pull requests against forge.python.org hosted Mercurial repositories.
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Pilot Objectives and Timeline
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[TODO: Update this section for Brett's revised timeline, which aims to have
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a CPython demo repository online by October 31st, to get a better indication
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of *future* capabilities once CPython itself migrates over to the new
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system, rather than just the support repos]
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This proposal is part of Brett Cannon's `current evaluation
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<https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2014-December/137472.html>`__
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of improvement proposals for various aspects of the CPython development
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workflow. Key dates in that timeline are:
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* Feb 1: Draft proposal published (for Kallithea, this PEP)
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* Apr 8: Discussion of final proposals at Python Language Summit
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* May 1: Brett's decision on which proposal to accept
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* Sep 13: Python 3.5 released, adopting new workflows for Python 3.6
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If this proposal is selected for further development, it is proposed to start
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with the rollout of the following pilot deployment:
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* a reference implementation operational at kallithea-pilot.python.org,
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containing at least the developer guide and PEP repositories. This will
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be a "throwaway" instance, allowing core developers and other contributors
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to experiment freely without worrying about the long term consequences for
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the repository history.
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* read-only live mirrors of the Kallithea hosted repositories on GitHub and
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BitBucket. As with the pilot service itself, these would be temporary repos,
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to be discarded after the pilot period ends.
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* clear documentation on using those mirrors to create pull requests against
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Kallithea hosted Mercurial repositories (for the pilot, this will likely
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*not* include using the native pull request workflows of those hosted
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services)
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* automatic linking of issue references in code review comments and commit
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messages to the corresponding issues on bugs.python.org
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* draft updates to :pep:`1` explaining the Kallithea-based PEP editing and
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submission workflow
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The following items would be needed for a production migration, but there
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doesn't appear to be an obvious way to trial an updated implementation as
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part of the pilot:
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* adjusting the PEP publication process and the developer guide publication
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process to be based on the relocated Mercurial repos
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The following items would be objectives of the overall workflow improvement
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process, but are considered "desirable, but not essential" for the initial
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adoption of the new service in September (if this proposal is the one
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selected and the proposed pilot deployment is successful):
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* allowing the use of python-social-auth to authenticate against the PSF
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hosted Kallithea instance
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* allowing the use of the GitHub and BitBucket pull request workflows to
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submit pull requests to the main Kallithea repo
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* allowing easy triggering of forced BuildBot runs based on Kallithea hosted
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repos and pull requests (prior to the implementation of :pep:`462`, this
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would be intended for use with sandbox repos rather than the main CPython
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repo)
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Future Implications for CPython Core Development
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================================================
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The workflow requirements for the main CPython development repository are
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significantly more complex than those for the repositories being discussed
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in this PEP. These concerns are covered in more detail in :pep:`462`.
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2015-01-07 22:07:52 -05:00
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Given Guido's recommendation to replace Rietveld with a more actively
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maintained code review system, my current plan is to rewrite that PEP to
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use Kallithea as the proposed glue layer, with enhanced Kallithea pull
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requests eventually replacing the current practice of uploading patche files
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directly to the issue tracker.
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I've also started working with Pierre Yves-David on a `custom Mercurial
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extension <https://bitbucket.org/ncoghlan/cpydev/src/default/cpyhg.py?at=default>`__
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that automates some aspects of the CPython core development workflow.
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Copyright
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